What is real doesn't change. In a dream world it may seem that things change all the time. But there isn't time or things or anyone to notice any changes. Right?
However, what I was trying to highlight was not so much that "changes" aren't "noticeable", but the habitual interpretation of "independent entities that continue to exist throughout the so-called change." It struck me that by deconstructing the commonplace assumption of "change" as something factual, there could more readily be a seeing-through of the "whole structure of objective reality."
Of course, you weren't saying that "changes" aren't "noticeable" - but that there isn't "any one" to notice "them." That, of course, is the other end of the thread we could pull on to unravel the whole spool.
I would say yes, if no thing exists, and there can't be change then movement doesn't exist since movement is change. A mind would not want to hear this stuff. :)
These words come to mind from the end of Wei Wu Wei's second book, "when we realise that nothing objective is real(as such),we become aware that what remains is REALity, and that we must be that(This). This is the meaning of the term "REALisation."
What is real doesn't change. In a dream world it may seem that things change all the time. But there isn't time or things or anyone to notice any changes. Right?
ReplyDeleteYes, those are standard pointers.
ReplyDeleteHowever, what I was trying to highlight was not so much that "changes" aren't "noticeable", but the habitual interpretation of "independent entities that continue to exist throughout the so-called change." It struck me that by deconstructing the commonplace assumption of "change" as something factual, there could more readily be a seeing-through of the "whole structure of objective reality."
Of course, you weren't saying that "changes" aren't "noticeable" - but that there isn't "any one" to notice "them." That, of course, is the other end of the thread we could pull on to unravel the whole spool.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your deconstructing something that is widely accepted and showing how it can't be.
ReplyDeleteThanks! It occurs to me that what we were discussing regarding "change" must also apply to any "movement". Yes?
ReplyDeleteI would say yes, if no thing exists, and there can't be change then movement doesn't exist since movement is change. A mind would not want to hear this stuff. :)
ReplyDeleteThese words come to mind from the end of Wei Wu Wei's second book, "when we realise that nothing objective is real(as such),we become aware that what remains is REALity, and that we must be that(This). This is the meaning of the term "REALisation."
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